Tuesday, August 23, 2005

Who Needs The aclu...

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...when we have our own Department of Health and Human Services?

In a stroke of absolute nose-cutting-to-spite-face, the Department has decided to stop a wildly successful program that has been selling abstinance to kids... because they might be too religious.

Please understand that the demons at the aclu are very, very happy about this and say so. If that doesn't tell you that this is a very bad thing, then you're just not paying attention.

[[ The federal government has cut off funding to a nationwide program that promotes abstinence to teens through skits and music videos, saying the group in charge of the campaign did not adequately separate religion from its message.

Department of Health and Human Services regulations state that groups receiving department funding "may not engage in inherently religious activities, such as worship, religious instruction or proselytization."

The department said in a letter dated Monday that if such activities are offered, they must be held separately from programs or services funded by the government.

"Our review indicates that the (Silver Ring Thing) may not have included adequate safeguards to clearly separate in time or location inherently religious activities from the federally funded activities," said the letter, signed by Harry Wilson, associate commissioner of the Family and Youth Services Bureau.

Julie Sternberg, an attorney with the ACLU's Reproductive Freedom Project, said the group was pleased the government recognized that the Silver Ring Thing's road show was improper.

The Silver Ring Thing has said that more than 30,000 young people have committed themselves to abstinence after attending the program's three-hour presentations.
]] (LINK to sad, but true, story)

Can you picture the aclu being "pleased"...? That must be very, very painful for them.

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15 Comments:

Blogger Civic Connections said...

Who Needs the ACLU? You Do! I Do! America Does!

The article said: “The department said it was suspending funds until the group submits a plan detailing how it plans to remedy the issue.”

I’m sure you’d call for the same government-spending safeguards for Islamist or Buddhist programs wouldn’t you?

I mean, a proselyte is a new convert to any religious faith or political doctrine --even those you don't ascribe to --- that tries to convert you or your kids to a religious faith or doctrine.

The article points out that the religious group can still do their good work without the element of proselytizing. Isn't that the foundation of democracy, that which we are promoting in the Middle East?

23/8/05 19:32  
Blogger kmg said...

No. It is not.

These people are trying to combat the out of control premarital sex rates- and they are very successful in it.

I would call for more safeguards if it were a cult like islam or Buddhists... but it is not. They are Christians- and they are not even trying to "recruit" anyone. They are simply using Christian principles to help kids avoid the evils that are facing them.

America is an overwhelmingly Christian nation. Christian values made us what we are and keep us as we are.

The constitution allows us to practice our religion. It does not "protect" us from our own religion.

The aclu is one of the two greatest enemies of our country. The other being islamo-fascism.

Anyone who argues that is smoking some very good anti_America weed.

23/8/05 20:30  
Blogger kmg said...

You quote scripture one minute and then join the minions of satan the next... your intellect is truly dizzying.

23/8/05 20:31  
Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

"I mean, a proselyte is a new convert to any religious faith or political doctrine --even those you don't ascribe to --- that tries to convert you or your kids to a religious faith or doctrine."

There is a difference between promoting abstinence and preaching. There is nothing wrong with letting people know from what perspective you come; indeed, I would argue that the teaching of abstinance is meaningless from a purely secular standpoint; it is philosophically unjustifiable from an atheist position in our current age of birth control, not to mention abortion-on-demand.

Regardless of these arguments, it is time to discard the pretense of groups like the ACLU that they have no religious agenda; they do, and that agenda is to spread atheism, which is itself a religious orientation. Also, when schools and colleges promote the reading of non-Christian religious texts (the Qur'an, the Mayan Popol Vuh, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, etc.) they are, in fact, pushing religious teachings in the name of "diversity," and the ACLU gives them a pass in the same name.

Defend that.

Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

23/8/05 21:38  
Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

BTW, the Hugh Hewitt Show just reported that a high school in Canton, OH has a teenage pregnancy rate of 1-in-7. That averages four girls per classroom, and that is only the girls who carry to term---it doesn't count Planned-Parenthood-sponsored infanticide cases.

I am waiting to find out whether Planned Parenthood has a major influence on the school's sexual education policy. And of course, we can bet that the American Snivel Liberties Union has ensured that "Silver Ring Thing" has never been presented in THIS school.

America sure needs the ACLU, alright. After all, the birthrate in the US has been dropping for decades...


Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

23/8/05 21:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, the aclu is for any religion that is not Christianity or Judaism.

They continue to find new ways to dig lower than rock bottom.

24/8/05 06:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm from Maryland and I wonder where the aclu was when the Montgomery County school board was trying to sneak in a new sex ed curriculum under the nose of parents. This curriculum taught that homosexuality as a sin is a myth and that certain religions like the Unitarians have a correct teaching on homosexuality and that the Baptists' teaching is theologically flawed, unenlightened and Biblically misguided. This is CLEARLY taking a stand on theological questions and is a BLATANT violation of the First Amendment. Here is an excerpt from that curriculum on this issue:

Myth: Homosexuality is a sin.

Facts: The Bible contains six passages which condemn homosexual behavior. The Bible also contains numerous passages condemning heterosexual behavior. Theologians and Biblical scholars continue to differ on many Biblical interpretations. They agree on one thing, however. Jesus said absolutely nothing at all about homosexuality. Among the many things deemed an abomination are adultery, incest, wearing clothing made from more than one kind of fiber, and eating shellfish, like shrimp and lobster.

Religion has often been misused to justify hatred and oppression. Less than a half a century ago, Baptist churches (among others) in this country defended racial segregation on the basis that it was condoned by the Bible. Early Christians were not hostile to homosexuals. Intolerance became the dominant attitude only after the Twelfth Century. Today, many people no longer tolerate generalizations about homosexuality as pathology or sin. Few would condemn heterosexuality as immoral — despite the high incidence of rape, incest, child abuse, adultery, family violence, promiscuity, and venereal disease among heterosexuals. Fortunately, many within organized religions are beginning to address the homophobia of the church. The Nation Council of Churches of Christ, the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the Unitarian Universalist Association, the Society of Friends (Quakers), and the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches support full civil rights for gay men and lesbians, as they do for everyone else.
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This curriculum also wanted 10th graders to view a video showing them how to put a condom on a cucumber. And actually says in the video, "Remember to use a condom for oral, anal and vaginal sex." It's hard to even wrap your mind around the insanity of that statement. I mean it reminds me of parents nowadays who let their kids have parties at their house where they provide the alcohol. I know of parents who allow their teenagers to have sex in their homes because "well, they're going to do it anyway."

Whatever happened to schools teaching just the facts? Now they are giving lessons on how to have sex! Pretty soon they'll be wanting to tell kids which positions offer the best chances of having multiple orgasms!!! They try to get it in saying they are teaching kids how to have "safe sex." That's the real myth. The only safe sex is NO SEX.

Thankfully, the judge ruled in favor of the parents fighting to keep this curriculum out of Montgomery County schools. And the aclu sure as heck didn't have anything to do with it. Can you imagine their reaction if Montgomery County wanted to have a curriculum that taught that the Bible says that homosexuality IS a sin!!!!!!! THE aclu HAS AN OBVIOUS AGENDA AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THAT IS PAINFULLY NAIVE.

SAJ

24/8/05 06:20  
Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

"Fortunately, many within organized religions are beginning to address the homophobia of the church. The Nation Council of Churches of Christ, the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the Unitarian Universalist Association, the Society of Friends (Quakers), and the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches support full civil rights for gay men and lesbians, as they do for everyone else."


All of these "Christian" congregations have long abandoned Biblical teaching as the basis of thier moral theology (except the Friends...but they have their "liberal" wing too...). The Hebrew group are all "reformed" (meaning outrageously liberal...more of a Jewish cultural group than a religious congregation, and of course it is highly questionable whether the Unitarians even believe in Christ.

It is not surprising that these groups are pushing a pro-gay agenda; the U.C.C. has been ordaining gay ministers for some time now, as have the Episcopalians.

We're not Christians, we just play them on TV...


Give thanks to God that the parents of Mont. County were on the ball and fought for basic decency.

Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

24/8/05 07:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tsar,

I belong to a demonination that embraces a revisionist gospel, Episcopalian. Fortunately, my church is a conservative Orthodox Episcopal church. There are many of us out there in this country. It looks like we will be breaking away from the Episcopal church and will align ourselves with the conservative Southern Anglican Cone. It has been difficult for many in my congregation to be patient and wait for that to happen. The thing that keeps us from leaving is that we know that the split is coming soon. The liberal churches in this country are bleeding members and the conservative ones are growing. That should tell people something.

SAJ

24/8/05 10:06  
Anonymous Angie said...

That reflects what is happening nationwide. Liberals are losing popularity at a fast rate. The only thing keeping them going is that some people still don't see them for what they really are.

24/8/05 12:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Angie,

I couldn't agree more!

SAJ

24/8/05 13:14  
Anonymous tj said...

>>"Our review indicates that the (Silver Ring Thing) may not have included adequate safeguards to clearly separate in time or location inherently religious activities from the federally funded activities," said the letter, signed by Harry Wilson, associate commissioner of the Family and Youth Services Bureau.<<

Adequate safeguards??? They make it sound like someone could seriously be injured or something. "Stand back kids...that person just might mention the God word."

24/8/05 15:20  
Blogger kmg said...

To them, injury DOES occur when Christ is mentioned... serious harm befalls anyone who hears His name invoked. That is the only explanation as to why they work so damn hard to eradicate any and all mention of Him.

24/8/05 15:58  
Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

kmg:

I think the appropriate line here is, "The wicked flee when no man pursueth." They fear Christianity because of the light it shines in their own consciences.

Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

24/8/05 23:51  
Blogger saj said...

Here is a good article on the subject of liberal churches bleeding members:

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=8555

25/8/05 11:27  

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