Monday, August 22, 2005

Christ In Iraq

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Well, here is another reason that the DFL opposes the war... apparently, our defeat of Saddam has brought a watershed of new Christian churches. Man, do those liberals HATE that...

Anyway, this is a very uplifting story- despite its somewhat dire beginning...

[[ Pastor Ghassan Thomas was overjoyed on April 9, 2003, when coalition forces toppled Saddam Hussein. For four years, in the face of relentless persecution, he had operated an underground Christian church of about 50 members in the heart of Baghdad.

Saddam's police had tortured him repeatedly, Thomas says -- beating him, suspending him from a ceiling fan and attaching electrodes to his tongue.
]] (LINK to uplifting story)

God Bless this man...

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17 Comments:

Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

He and his congregation will need prayers, big time. The "gentlemen" at Foggy Bottom have given the green light to the Iraqi government to use Islam as the basis for the new constitution. While I support Bush and the War, I am grieved to see that the US is supporting the construction of yet another Islamic nation, relegating people like Pastor Thomas and his flock to dhimmitude.
Someday I hope the West wakes up to the danger it's in and realizes that we are in a war between civilizations, and that many in Islam won't stop until death.
One of the main hadiths has Muhammad declaring that "Paradise is in the shade of swords."
Sorry to be pessimistic, here, but I don't see the new Iraqi constitutional process as a cause for celebrating.

Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

22/8/05 11:38  
Blogger Civic Connections said...

Dear kmg:

I ask you sincerely to consider that you may see things from a distorted view of Christ and Christianity. Consider Revelations 2 2-4:

“I know thy works and thy labour and thy patience and how thou canst not bear them which are evil; and thou has tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars…Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou has left thy first love….”

For me, the images in the stained-glass Sunday windows of the passion of Christ (in addition to the ABCs in first grade) was my first love.

But, the Evangelical cult, which is a splinter group of my Catholic Church started rocking and rolling in the 40s and stormed its presence amid my Catholic youth in the late 70s and early 80s. (However there are several accounts of their beginnings as early as the 20s--trying to sell one particular and fundamental version of Christianity to the Middle East--and inciting Islamists for the sake of their own children's souls.)

I remember my childhood friend, Cindy, who’s mother—a devout Catholic and lifelong worker for the Christian faith—demanded tearfully that her child not attend the Evangelical cult that had set up what they called a Charismatic coffee houses in a member of the Immaculate Heart of Mary's house, where we both attended regularly. During the Charismatic Evangelical coffee houses, youth spoke in gyrating and emotionally stimulating tongues and laid on of the hands for radical healings (which were questionable).

The daughter, my friend Cindy, rebelled against her mother, overwhelmed by the power of tongues and the laying on of hands, and she felt much enmity for her mother because she thirsted for this more-exciting, enticing, indulgent and consumer-product-faction that sells the Evangelical splinter group of Christianity, enraging Islamists for the past 50 years and calling it holy--all the while calling those who love peace--evil.

22/8/05 11:38  
Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

Civic:

Your point is well made. I am of the Orthodox Church, and so to me even Rome is, as one of our theologians put it, "the first protestant church." :)

However, I think there is less evil in even a distorted form of Christianity than in Islam. At least in a distorted Christianity, the Spirit has a greater chance of reaching the individual than in the truly Satanic mockery of the Body of Christ that is Islam.

Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

22/8/05 13:28  
Blogger Morning Star said...

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22/8/05 14:37  
Blogger Civic Connections said...

Dear Tzar: Wow! What a God-given gift!

Thank you for engaging in honest discourse. I too believe, according to what I have learned, there is less evil in even a distorted form of Christianity than in Islam! Jesus Christ is the one and true purveyor of humanity, honor, love and peace. However I also have learned that true Islam (in contrast to myriad Islamist violent debased factions and as Pope Benedict XVI alludes to in my blog) is not as violent as the extremist factions that preach hate, but recent current events don’t bode well with me, so I understand what has happened according to the barbaric debauchery affected on missionaries and those who promote Democracy. I agree with the pope that we need to hone our skill for communication in addition to holding the hard line—in other words saying no, we will not buy Islam either.) It’s hard to find the temperate line. But as Jesus said, it is the narrow path, which few find.) So my heartfelt gratitude, sincerely, and forgive me if I’m being sappy, but it’s been intense—seriously intense--amid sensational sects of Christianity and I am becoming weary, even exhausted, and hoping to find some who are capable of restraint, as apostle Paul preached in Phillipians (I think, or is it Ephesians—I’ll have to look it up again!) Simply, I’m tired of being accused of treason because I detect another spiritual element in addition to staying the course, which I believe in too, of the teachings of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and his breastplate of righteousness and shoes shod of peace and sword of truth and shield of faith, which is all that I have.

Sincerely,
Cynthia Antoinette at CivicConnections, aka Morning Star

22/8/05 14:57  
Blogger kmg said...

Civic/Cynthia/Morningstar-

I am a Catholic... proud and practicing. Having said that, I will add that I see all of Christianity as a family that once was, and will be again, together in the same house.

The sword of islam, unlike our "sword of truth", is a vengeful one that seeks to cut the non-muslim world to pieces.

Our only hope for the perpetuation of our lives and our faith is to stand up to this plague of a cult right now. Unless we stop the advance of radical islam, we and our children will never know peace- no matter which shoes we are shod with.

No equivocation. No half-ass efforts. No appeasement.

All the might we require for this task will spring from within our Christian hearts... our goal is righteous, our means are honorable... and that is enough.

22/8/05 16:01  
Blogger Civic Connections said...

The radical Islamic factions do indeed seek to cut the non-Muslim world to pieces and create one faith--Islam—which I will not buy! We must stand up! I do not dissent here. Now, we must stay the course (that is discounting other ideas I had before, which are no longer applicable, as time has moved on and we have taken an alternate course to that which I previously ascribed to.) That is not to say that there are elements of communication, which the pope proposes, that we ought to pursue in addition to standing against the violent Islamic factions—in the name of Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace.

22/8/05 16:09  
Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

It is tough for me to be objective here, because in the Orthodox world we have borne the brunt of Islamic invasion since the 600s. The Sword of Islam has killed and enslaved my people since they exploded out of Arabia after the death of the "prophet," and in the end the West did very little to help stop it.

Even today, in Eastern countries in many regions, my people are reduced to dhimmitude, their churches and monasteries despoiled and burned, and their God-given rights ignored by the Islamofacists. In some cases (namely Kosovo), the West actually collaborated in this persecution. Over 150 Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries have been systematically destroyed by the Albanian Muslims in the last ten years, most of them dating to the Middle Ages. Two of our holiest sites are currently being threatened, with only KFOR troops preventing the practitioners of the "Religion of Peace" from destroying them.

So it's tough for me to think of other options, although I respect the Bishop of Rome very much. Christ bids us to turn the other cheek, although in this case I think we are involved in a just war with a Satanically-inspired foe which threatens our freedom, nay, our very survival.

Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

22/8/05 19:14  
Blogger kmg said...

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" ... I think we are involved in a just war with a Satanically-inspired foe which threatens our freedom, nay, our very survival."

-It is an undeniable fact that we are, indeed, in such a war. The double peril of this war is that many in our own country are fighting against us.

22/8/05 21:22  
Blogger Civic Connections said...

“And riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass…he shall speak peace…”


In the ninth chapter of the Torah’s book of Zechariah “in the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the Lord unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet saying…the burden of the word of the Lord in the land of Hadrach, and Damascus shall be the rest thereof; when the eyes of man, as of all the tribes of Israel, shall be toward the Lord.

And Hamath also shall border thereby; Tyrus, and Zidon, though it be very wise. And Tyrus did build herself a strong hold, and heaped up silver as the dust, and fine gold as the mire of the streets. Behold the Lord will cast her out, and he will smite her power in the sea; and she shall be devoured with fire. Ashkelon shall see it, and fear; Gaza also shall see it, and be very sorrowful, and Ekron; for her expectation shall be ashamed; and the king shall perish from Gaza and Ashkelon shall not be inhabited. And a bastard shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines.

And I will take away his blood out of his mouth and his abominations from between his teeth; but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah and Ekron as a Jebusite.

And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by and because of him that returneth; and no oppressor shall pass through them any more; for now I have seen with mine eyes.

Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem; behold thy King cometh unto thee; He is just and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off; and he shall speak peace unto the heathen; and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth. As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherin is no water.

Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope; even to day do I declare that I will render double unto thee; When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece and made the as the sword of a mighty man.

And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning; and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet and shall go with whirwinds of the south.

The Lord of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls and as the corners of the altar.

And the Lord their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people; for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

For how great is his goodness, and how great is his beauty! Corn shall make the young men cheerful, and new wine the maids.

23/8/05 08:40  
Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

And thus shall it be upon the Ishmaelites on the Day of Judgment.

Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

23/8/05 22:00  
Blogger Civic Connections said...

So Is it safe to say we're still fighting the war of Isaac and Ishmael?

24/8/05 17:31  
Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

Yes, Civic...that is what the conflict between Judeo-Christianity and Islam is all about. Remember the Biblical prophecy in re Ishmael, in that his hand shall be against all men.

Sounds to me like God knew what the Ishmaelites would get up to in the future...

Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

25/8/05 00:06  
Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

Civic, one last bit of news:

Israeli Defense Industries just signed a $300 million deal to supply ammunition to US forces fighting in the Middle East.

Jews and Christians are brothers-in-arms fighting the infidel, and the Israelis know it, even if the American Left is clueless.

Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

25/8/05 10:49  
Blogger Civic Connections said...

But I thought we are the infidels?

25/8/05 14:59  
Anonymous Tsar Lazar said...

Civic:

Webster's defines "infidel" as "One who does not believe in a certain religion." That's a lousy politically-correct definition, though. I would use, "One who is unfaithful to the revealed Truth of God."
Muhammad being a false prophet, by my definition (or even by Webster's) Muslims are infidels.

Pomoze Bog.
Tsar Lazar

25/8/05 19:22  
Blogger Civic Connections said...

Shouldn't we put away holy wars that are ancient rivalries between brothers?

28/8/05 13:23  

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